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Hi,

in nearly all nightfire forums that i visited in the past there was always a thread where players discussed
about the question if "p-jump" alias "peter-jump" in nightfire a.K.A. "bunnypoop" in other games is a:



a) cheat (can be regarded as!)



b) skill (lol)



c) a glitch in nightfire: pc version ( There was a thread @ the old jbnightfire.com site where the main developer of the nightfire sauce game tried to explain that p-jump was just a mistake by a developer of the nightfire original pc game in order to avoid the p-jump. Unfortunately the developer made a typo in the code and it freaked out like this.


i !vote c)

Reason: In real life i never saw people jumping in wide circles towards me , stopping one centimetre in front
of me and killing me with a headshot with a white sniper rifle.

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September 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I agree to c but I also say b)skill it is a glitch but "it takes time and effort to get good at" -Ricecooker024. Vist the tips and tricks page for more infos and videos.
September 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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i agree with baggy.


its b) skill because i understand when people say its more fun for them and its really hard work to learn it. btw not all people who dont know how to pjump say "stop its unfair". many ask how they can jump like this too. thats one of the reasons why i opened the tipps and tricks-page. everyone should have the chance to learn and rice is one of the pros who made the effort to explain how pjump works


its maybe c) too, but what shall we do now? ignore the pjump? say "stop it" to people who use it? i think thats impossible and unrealistic when some players now say "its the thing that makes nf special", so they wont stop. i think we have to live with it and maybe it was a mistake of the developer, but nowadays its for many people a part of nf.


about a) cheat i`m not sure. whats the definition of "cheat"?

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September 27, 2013 at 5:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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yippieh,,


 the discussion started,,, this may become the mostb popular topic in futura. :)


i agree with me,,, just to heat it up: 


pJUNKERS HAVE SHORT LEGs :P

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September 27, 2013 at 6:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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donuts pls


so beverly showed me this site on gsa today, very nice. thanks for the shoutout on the tips and tricks page ;) noticed this topic and couldnt resist registering ;x youd think id be bored debating pjump after all these years but it beats homework anyday


b) and c) are both right


theres no question pjump is a skill, not a cheat. if it didnt require any skill then everyone would be able to do and do it equally as well. and yes its also an accidental/unintended glitch, but this isnt a bad thing. see http://science.discovery.com/famous-scientists-discoveries/10-accidental-inventions.htm i truely believe this game would be even less active than it is if it wasnt for pjump. its what defines nightfire


im 6'3" (192cm) pjumpers have tall legs! 8)


September 27, 2013 at 7:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hi welcome a'board :)

I visited the link with greatest misses but p-jump was not in the list,,, maybe they forgot to add it  because of it beeing a glitch :P

Wayne Gretzky never used pjump, and he is favorite icehooker player from canada

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September 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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@fritz: i think this is why gretzky does not use pjump anymore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZWcRLx3Hl8

well... maybe some icehockey players use pjump...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjPz_hE1IWY


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September 28, 2013 at 3:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hi,

I reconsidered my position and OK , beside of it beeing a glitch it has also aspects of skills

A possible new counter-argument could be:

The  r_zmin  command and the other r_ thingy (Wallhack) and rapidfire with sniper is also (a glitch) in the
game and when you train it a lot you can become better in using it for your benefit/advantage.  Everybody
could learn it. Spawnkill is a bad form of playing,,, but you can learn it and become pro in it :P

If Nightfire had more servers and more players nowadays it would have maybe been possible to create
different kinds of servers, one with pjump serversided enabled, one with p-jump serversided disabled, scrim
servers with special settings and maybe more types of, so that there's nice server for everyone's type of
level needs.

I know i can't stop p-jumpers from p-jumping and I for myself can deal with it. Some p-jumpers even use p-jump wisely in order to kill enemie's team p-jumpers so that enemie's team p-jumpers can't kill own teams non-pjumpers too fast.

I personally always try to aim at the position where "the airplane" is probably touch-and-go landing and tranquilize him with a dart in his left small toe.

A good side-effect of me starting this thread was that our good old friend TU.BNFPE.Ricecooker koined this community forum.

Yippieh :)

Btw.: who knows what TU stands for (I think I do but i won't tell) ?


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September 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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TU eh? How about Team U..u..u... Hmm I don't know please tell me ?
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September 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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wallhack, rapidsnipe, spawnkill, and other lame stuff like that do indeed have a bit of skill involved. but they are nowhere close to having the amount of skill pjump takes. that stuff can be mastered easily in a short amount of time whereas pjump has a much higher skill ceiling. that stuff also takes away from the gameplay whereas pjump adds to it


tu stands for the undutchablez. it was an old clan that i was a member of

September 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Thats funny. I played in the undutchables team (clanbase ladder at that time) in the best game ever made - unreal tournament '99 :D

 

I'd say, pjump is a skill. Ofcourse it's a glitch in the game, but pjumping took the game - the match aspect - to a whole new level. Back in the days, we once had a game vs the French guys of ]|-|KIS|-|[ while is was playing for |-CSS-|. The game was at Romania and it took like 2 hours and only 5 flags where captured. It was really hard to capture / defend without the advantage of pjump.

 

When NFBL became more popular teams had to change their strategies. There where only a few smart enough, to get the right balance between good pjumpers and deadly defenders. This was also our success to win NFBL 3 times in a row. 


One of our tactics (for defending) was having 1 player defending on the flagspot... when a fast pjumper jumps by, you had a chance of 90% blocking them. While they are easy to shoot, it was easy to defend. Adjusting your tactics to the opponent worked really well against fast pjumpers. 


In my opinion, pjumping made this game special / interesting and above all challenging in a competitive way.  

October 1, 2013 at 8:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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yes, for a person who knows how to pjump its fun and can make the game more interesting.

and yes, for a person who cant pjump (good) its very hard and unfair to fight against (pro-)pjumpers, especially in scrims.


doesnt matter if pjump is a glitch or not, fact is it is used. so the question is how can these both groups of players (pjump yes/no) "live together". there follows the question:

should other/new players be learned in pjump so that everyone knows it (thats the strategy of the new source-game. the developers want to integrate it from the beginning as a skill in the game) or should pjump be ignored and hated so that the pjumpers wont be accepted in future anymore?


the nf-community isnt connected very good at the moment and many dont care about "a dying game". so i`m pretty sure there will never be a solution based on a discussion of both parties. people will always cry about pjump, mines, ronins...maybe we have to accept that this crying is a part of nightfire too since many years :-)

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October 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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4 vs. Fritz,

nice teams :)





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October 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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oh right, thats unfair.


i switch team.


well, rapidfire is a glitch that no one likes. but at least it makes your shooting faster like pjump makes your jump/capture faster. that pjump makes the game more fun is a subjective opinion. wallhack makes the game maybe more fun for some people too and adds to the gameplay that you have to be more careful when you attack/try to capture because your enemy could hide behind a wall and see you.

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October 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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sure its subjective. but you cant ignore how in most cases the people who can pjump enjoy it while those who suck at it and/or cant do it dont like it. i dont think we would have all these pjump debates if everyone was good at it. wallhack is a) and cheat and not b) a skill, so i dont think comparing pjump to wh is fair

October 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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so rapid fire is skills, right?

using scripts for mouse and keyboard buttons is the nonplusultra in pro nightfire gaming i suppose.

I prefer to type my binds in real time,,, including the typos


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October 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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neg. rapidfire is a cheat and a glitch


changing your controls/binds wont make you good at the game as they are all personal preference

October 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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if rapidfire is a glitch and a cheat, why is pjump just a glitch and not a cheat but a skill?


scripting pjumps and chnage weapons and shooting  and using very very ( not to say very very very) customized settings that many glitchers tested for many years and found out to be the best glitch settings (with help using the "console" in order to manage it) and sharing theese settings with many others "Pro" "skill" glitchers makes it much more easier.


I can understand it.



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October 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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because pjump takes skill and rapidfire doesnt? pjump takes many hours to even learn the basics whereas rapidfire takes about 10 minutes of practice to completely master. pjump adds to the game and rapidfire takes away from it, making pjump a positive glitch and rapidefire a negative glitch. using pjump scripts is of course cheating. changing binds is not scripting and is not considered cheating. as i said your controls are all personal preference


using different settings is a bit trickier to determine what is a cheat vs what is not. for example i consider using the client patch to get >100 fps and a wider field of view as cheating, but most people dont. in a perfect world everyones settings would be identical to make it fair. i have very few settings changed from the defaults and while settings do have an impact, its not as much as people think. i could still play very well with using all default settings

October 14, 2013 at 6:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Great point. But is using the client patch in default settings a cheat? I tried 1.0 and no servers show up.maybe I shud uninstal the patch so it works..?
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